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		<title>By: Greta</title>
		<link>http://blog.scottjelias.net/2010/02/what-you-need-to-know-when-youre-done-with-high-school/comment-page-1/#comment-1299</link>
		<dc:creator>Greta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The one quote the stood out the most was LIfe is really going to stink if your cant find something to love to do. I wish i learned that years ago. Because i would not be going back to school&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one quote the stood out the most was LIfe is really going to stink if your cant find something to love to do. I wish i learned that years ago. Because i would not be going back to school</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scott,
I think you did a nice job creating a list of things to know when you are done with high school because there are things that you just need to know before you enter either college or the working world.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would like to mainly comment on your point about how people are more important than technology because I totally agree. Our world today is absolutely consumed by technology, and while helpful at times, I feel that it really takes away from our relationships and how we communicate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t mean to stereotype, because I too love technology, but it seems that this generation of teenagers are so caught up in computers, cell phones, ipods, etc. that some of them can&#039;t function outside of those things. Who can we blame for that though? We are always trying to implement more and more technology into the classrooms to make our lives &quot;easier&quot;, but is it really making things easier when students only know how to Google something as opposed to looking it up in a book or can&#039;t communicate unless they are behind a computer screen?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Eventually there will be job interviews, where I&#039;m pretty sure an employer is not going to say &quot;Hey text me and tell me why you think you&#039;re qualified for this job.&quot; Instead they are going to want to have a face to face conversation with you to see how you present yourself. Besides future employers, there are relationships with friends, family, parents, etc. that can&#039;t always be maintained through technology. These people deserve to see that you care to interact with them outside of technology.
So, my advice is to come out from behind the computer screen, get off the cell phone and make an effort to put yourself out there to learn some REAL communication skills, that will be helpful when you get out into the world.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,
I think you did a nice job creating a list of things to know when you are done with high school because there are things that you just need to know before you enter either college or the working world.</p>

<p>I would like to mainly comment on your point about how people are more important than technology because I totally agree. Our world today is absolutely consumed by technology, and while helpful at times, I feel that it really takes away from our relationships and how we communicate.</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t mean to stereotype, because I too love technology, but it seems that this generation of teenagers are so caught up in computers, cell phones, ipods, etc. that some of them can&#8217;t function outside of those things. Who can we blame for that though? We are always trying to implement more and more technology into the classrooms to make our lives &#8220;easier&#8221;, but is it really making things easier when students only know how to Google something as opposed to looking it up in a book or can&#8217;t communicate unless they are behind a computer screen?</p>

<p>Eventually there will be job interviews, where I&#8217;m pretty sure an employer is not going to say &#8220;Hey text me and tell me why you think you&#8217;re qualified for this job.&#8221; Instead they are going to want to have a face to face conversation with you to see how you present yourself. Besides future employers, there are relationships with friends, family, parents, etc. that can&#8217;t always be maintained through technology. These people deserve to see that you care to interact with them outside of technology.
So, my advice is to come out from behind the computer screen, get off the cell phone and make an effort to put yourself out there to learn some REAL communication skills, that will be helpful when you get out into the world.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: What you need to know when you&#8217;re done with high school &#171; Technology Tips</title>
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		<dc:creator>What you need to know when you&#8217;re done with high school &#171; Technology Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] This is from: Do I dare disturb the universe? an edublog I follow.  The name of the post is &#8220;What you need to know when you&#8217;re done with high school.&#8221;  I thought it was appropriate enough to share with the rest of you.  You can view the blog in its original context here: http://blog.scottjelias.net/2010/02/what-you-need-to-know-when-youre-done-with-high-school/ [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Thing 5 &#8211; RSS Feed &#124; Learning in the 21st Century</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] you might still be looking through information.  One of the interesting blogs I read was &#8220;What you need to know when you’re done with high school.&#8221;  If you are reading this blog, you should take the time to read it.  It has some insights [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 13:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Absolutely correct. We spend a lot of time trying to make sure kids know every piece of minutia about every academic discipline.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What is canon of knowledge that is required to be a functional human being in the world today?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely correct. We spend a lot of time trying to make sure kids know every piece of minutia about every academic discipline.</p>

<p>What is canon of knowledge that is required to be a functional human being in the world today?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ahmed A. Fattah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed A. Fattah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 22:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I beleive students should be more acknowledged about the factual life and knowledge that they need to know relevant to their work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A student who wants to become an engineer should acquire the knowledge that help him to master his future job. It is our role as policy makers to consult the relevant educational experts to determine what knowledge should be acquired by sudents for each area of specialists.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beleive students should be more acknowledged about the factual life and knowledge that they need to know relevant to their work.</p>

<p>A student who wants to become an engineer should acquire the knowledge that help him to master his future job. It is our role as policy makers to consult the relevant educational experts to determine what knowledge should be acquired by sudents for each area of specialists.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: What you need to know when you’re done with high school &#171; Stephanie Conlon&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>What you need to know when you’re done with high school &#171; Stephanie Conlon&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] on March 27, 2010. Filed under: Great Ideas!, High Schoolers &#124;  February 25, 2010    Pat [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: What We Should Have Learned in High School?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What We Should Have Learned in High School?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Katia on March 23, 2010   In response to a student, Scott Jelias wrote about the 10 things every graduating high school student should know or understand on his blog Do I Dare Disturb the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Cat Tech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Outcomes for High School</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Elias, an assistant principal in Colorado and a doctoral student, recently wrote a piece on what he thought every student should know and be able to do after their four years in high [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;JC&lt;/strong&gt; -&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m left a bit unsure of where we disagree on this. When you refer to my post as implying that factual knowledge is the enemy of 21st century learning, I wonder if you&#039;re not overstating the point I am trying to make. I said:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Now, don’t read this to say that factual knowledge is never valuable or that it shouldn’t be taught — all things in moderation will create balance — but if all you take away from science class is that you memorized the Periodic Table, then we may have a disconnect between what we do in school and what you’ll do when you’re done in school.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And a few comments above yours, I also wrote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;It absolutely has to be a balance. And as students move into high school and – theoretically – closer to a profession, the granularity of what factual knowledge they have to have increases.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since you make reference to my last paragraph, I will do the same. I have a basic, working knowledge of the electoral college. I don&#039;t know the intricacies like how many electors Indiana has or in which states the winning party does not automatically get all the state&#039;s electoral votes. Unless I&#039;m at a dinner party chatting with a campaign strategist I would argue that I could get by with what I know.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a former math and physics teacher, I&#039;d also have to admit that the number of times I&#039;ve been asked to change the amplitude of a sine graph when I was not standing in front of the class is effectively zero.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, should I understand the big picture concept of periodic functions and their general characteristics? I think so. We&#039;ve got seasonal changes in the amount of daylight and daily changes of high and low tides. These things exist in the real world and they&#039;re messy and imperfect. I like that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Extending my argument to the extreme of &quot;no one should memorize facts&quot; is &lt;em&gt;reductio ad absurdum&lt;/em&gt;. It&#039;s not what I said. You acknowledge that the ABCs and 1+1 are the starting point and that&#039;s all that I was going for.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So to clarify: Learning facts for the sake of taking a test that verifies that you learned those facts is &quot;memorizing.&quot; It&#039;s not &quot;learning.&quot; I would like to see our students (and my own kids) get &lt;em&gt;an education&lt;/em&gt; which, to me, involves knowing some facts as well as what to do with those facts. Learning them for a test only to have those facts forgotten an hour later is not something that I believe has a whole lot of value in terms of an &quot;education.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People who know a lot of facts but lack a context for those facts or the skills to apply them will succeed on Jeopardy but probably not much beyond that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So let&#039;s learn facts, but let&#039;s make sure that they&#039;re facts worth learning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for reading, John. And thanks for the comment.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>JC</strong> -</p>

<p>I&#8217;m left a bit unsure of where we disagree on this. When you refer to my post as implying that factual knowledge is the enemy of 21st century learning, I wonder if you&#8217;re not overstating the point I am trying to make. I said:</p>

<blockquote>Now, don’t read this to say that factual knowledge is never valuable or that it shouldn’t be taught — all things in moderation will create balance — but if all you take away from science class is that you memorized the Periodic Table, then we may have a disconnect between what we do in school and what you’ll do when you’re done in school.</blockquote>

<p>And a few comments above yours, I also wrote:</p>

<blockquote>It absolutely has to be a balance. And as students move into high school and – theoretically – closer to a profession, the granularity of what factual knowledge they have to have increases.</blockquote>

<p>Since you make reference to my last paragraph, I will do the same. I have a basic, working knowledge of the electoral college. I don&#8217;t know the intricacies like how many electors Indiana has or in which states the winning party does not automatically get all the state&#8217;s electoral votes. Unless I&#8217;m at a dinner party chatting with a campaign strategist I would argue that I could get by with what I know.</p>

<p>As a former math and physics teacher, I&#8217;d also have to admit that the number of times I&#8217;ve been asked to change the amplitude of a sine graph when I was not standing in front of the class is effectively zero.</p>

<p>Now, should I understand the big picture concept of periodic functions and their general characteristics? I think so. We&#8217;ve got seasonal changes in the amount of daylight and daily changes of high and low tides. These things exist in the real world and they&#8217;re messy and imperfect. I like that.</p>

<p>Extending my argument to the extreme of &#8220;no one should memorize facts&#8221; is <em>reductio ad absurdum</em>. It&#8217;s not what I said. You acknowledge that the ABCs and 1+1 are the starting point and that&#8217;s all that I was going for.</p>

<p>So to clarify: Learning facts for the sake of taking a test that verifies that you learned those facts is &#8220;memorizing.&#8221; It&#8217;s not &#8220;learning.&#8221; I would like to see our students (and my own kids) get <em>an education</em> which, to me, involves knowing some facts as well as what to do with those facts. Learning them for a test only to have those facts forgotten an hour later is not something that I believe has a whole lot of value in terms of an &#8220;education.&#8221;</p>

<p>People who know a lot of facts but lack a context for those facts or the skills to apply them will succeed on Jeopardy but probably not much beyond that.</p>

<p>So let&#8217;s learn facts, but let&#8217;s make sure that they&#8217;re facts worth learning.</p>

<p>Thanks for reading, John. And thanks for the comment.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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